RivkaT ([info]rivkat) wrote,
@ 2008-04-23 09:43:00
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The right of making available
Here's the IP lawyer's reaction to this latest male-entitlement fantasy running around fandom:

"Open source" is a category mistake of the ugliest kind. The concept of open source, as with intellectual property generally, is based on the fact that my possession of a copy of a program doesn't interfere with your possession of a copy of the same program. Nor does my alteration of the program, and subsequent release of my alterations on the same terms, interfere with your possession and use of your copy. The general term for that is "nonrivalrous," and the fact that, in the absence of law, people can easily make copies without permission is "nonexcludability."

Who is supposed to be doing the open sourcing here? For those of us who aren't Cylons, there aren't many copies. Bodies are rivalrous (and this fellow's very professions of happiness at being granted access indicate that he knows this). And a big part of the project of feminism has been to establish excludability as women's fundamental right, when it hasn't been the default. To call for women's bodies to be "open source" is simultaneously to reject the authority of women over their bodies--a fragile enough authority already--and to commodify, to thingify, women's bodies into fungible copies: the neat trick of reducing us to our bodies and then denying us control over them. (In real open source, you don't get to say no to a user you don't like. That's kind of the point of open source: everybody gets to play. So when the ferret person is shocked that people are reading his proposal as coercive--well, even if there weren't the cultural background he's so madly denying, the concept he picked is at best wrongheaded and strikes me as quite revealing about the actual agenda.)

Open source is a great idea, but it's always important to ask who's supposed to be providing the free stuff. As I've said elsewhere, when you start to compare fields that get intellectual property protection (software, sculpture) with fields that don’t (fashion, cooking, sewing), it becomes uncomfortably obvious that our cultural policy has expected women’s endeavors to generate surplus creativity but has assumed that men’s endeavors require compensation, just as our society has expected women to do the hard work of raising children and keeping house out of love and duty but not expected men to show up at the factory for the same reasons. We are now asked to signal our voluntary provision of sexual healing, because apparently we control a valuable resource and it would be much nicer for men if they didn't have to pay, in any economic or noneconomic ways, for access to that resource. And it's important that we do the signalling, because if men had to signal that they wanted to be asked to touch our breasts, not many women would respond to the signal! Talk about an endowment effect. (Sorry, couldn't help it. It is quite interesting to see how intuitive behavioral economics is, especially for people who have reason to know--that is, people lower in various hierarchies.)

I tell you what: when you can code and/or otherwise reproduce my breasts without touching me, I'll consider what kind of license I might use for them.



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[info]giandujakiss
2008-04-23 01:59 pm UTC (link)
This is a beautiful post. I want to roll around in it and soak it up.

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 06:12 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]parrotfish
2008-04-23 02:13 pm UTC (link)
This needs to be sung to the heavens.

My own far less eloquent response to all this was, "You can't get laid? Really not my problem." Same idea, really.

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Perhaps you haven't seen this. - [info]grendelkhan, 2008-04-25 09:59 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Perhaps you haven't seen this. - [info]half_elf_lost, 2008-04-26 01:23 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]malfeasanceses, 2008-04-26 06:26 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]kellyfaboo
2008-04-23 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Bodies are rivalrous There is the button slogan. Or t-shirt

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(no subject) - [info]ithiliana, 2008-04-23 06:49 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ithiliana
2008-04-23 02:40 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! I had neither the technical nor legal chops to explain why "open source" was such a frakking objectifying patriarchal term, but I knew it was!

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 06:14 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]ithiliana, 2008-04-23 06:48 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]cryptoxin
2008-04-23 02:44 pm UTC (link)
I love how you think.

Apparently the "project" originated at Penguicon, which is billed as an SF and Open Source con. That sort of explains why they called it "open source" except for the part where there would have been a lot of people around to tell them that boobs open source doesn't work that way.

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 05:16 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]eisoj5
2008-04-23 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Sweet zombie jesus, this articulates why the whole thing is so fricking horrifying perfectly. I don't think you're linked up on unfunnybusiness yet, but you should.

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 06:15 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]eisoj5, 2008-04-23 11:14 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]olivia_circe
2008-04-23 03:23 pm UTC (link)
Oh, wow, thank you so much for posting this. I hadn't quite thought of it in those terms, and those terms are pretty much exactly the point. I really don't have anything to add, but thank you.

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[info]seperis
2008-04-23 03:33 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. Seriously good articulation of the basic problem.

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[info]coffeeandink
2008-04-23 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I love your rivalrous and excludable brain. And I wish you felt comfortable posting a version of this in public.

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 05:17 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]astolat
2008-04-23 04:28 pm UTC (link)
Dude, I wish you would unlock/repost this publicly. It is awesome. <3

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 05:17 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]myownghost
2008-04-23 06:58 pm UTC (link)
i'm so glad you've addressed this!

>our cultural policy has expected women’s endeavors to generate surplus creativity but has assumed that men’s endeavors require compensation...

isn't that the truth?!

>We are now asked to signal our voluntary provision of sexual healing...

it's very gratifying to me that you say this. i have always loathed the marvin gaye song, Sexual Healing. (let her sleep, you clod, and use your hand!) that may be my own little digression, but it's pertinent, at least to my thinking.

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[info]vylit
2008-04-23 07:24 pm UTC (link)
To me this speaks of the old idea that men are entitled to access. I mean, sure, he doesn't outright say that, and women can "opt-out" which brands them with a big red button that says they're "closed," but these men seem to think that because they want to touch a breast, women should be "open" to them touching it. Also, it sets men up as the judge of which breast is attractive, do they want to touch, and women are put in the passive position of waiting to be asked/touched. Even if it's primarily women taking part, that doesn't negate the fact that one of the people that started it was male, and that HE wanted to be able to touch any attractive women's breasts at his leisure.

Why anyone thinks this is a good idea BOGGLES ME.

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[info]princessofg
2008-04-23 07:36 pm UTC (link)
thank you so much for this. just, wow.

truly. eloquent and smart and just ... i guh.

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[info]sorchasilver
2008-04-23 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. This articulates beautifully what I've been thinking about, in far less eloquent terms, all day.

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[info]mecurtin
2008-04-23 07:49 pm UTC (link)
May I link to/quote from this at John Skalzi's pretty high-traffic blog? Because it was ne'er so well expressed.

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 10:57 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]lizbee
2008-04-23 07:53 pm UTC (link)
This post is made of win, and basically sums up the headspin I did when I tried applying proper open source ideas to boobies. Thank you.

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[info]cofax7
2008-04-23 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's an excellent dissection of the problem. Brava.

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[info]tahariel
2008-04-23 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Absolutely and categorically yes. I couldn't even read that guy's entire post, because it squicked me out so much.

Oh, yes, men, you totally should have free access to touch whoever the hell you like at your discretion. It's not like we're entitled to control over our own bodies and who touches us.

Jesus Christ, I have enough 'physical contact' issues without adding this kind of shit to it.

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[info]harriet_spy
2008-04-23 08:52 pm UTC (link)
This is almost exactly what I was thinking, but I didn't have the time (or, to be honest, the excess emotional energy that would have been required to tone the indignation down in it) to post it.

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[info]melannen
2008-04-23 08:54 pm UTC (link)
...now I want to read about Cylons actually *having* an open-source boobie project.

I bet Six would totally let her boobs go GPL if Baltar asked nicely enoughv That was unworthy of me. But man, as a way to explore BSG's skeevy gender issues, it would have so much potential.

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[info]ithiliana
2008-04-23 09:33 pm UTC (link)
May I use "Bodies are rivalrous" to make an icon, crediting you for the text, which shall of course be totally free/gackable?

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(no subject) - [info]rivkat, 2008-04-23 10:57 pm UTC (Expand)
Thank you! - [info]ithiliana, 2008-04-23 11:15 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Thank you! - [info]roguebitch, 2008-04-24 10:42 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]baranduin
2008-04-23 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for unlocking this. Yes and yes and yes!

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[info]rheanna27
2008-04-23 10:20 pm UTC (link)
I tell you what: when you can code and/or otherwise reproduce my breasts without touching me, I'll consider what kind of license I might use for them.

Love this.

Love the whole post, in fact -- fascinating and succinct and spot on. Thank you.

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[info]life_on_queen
2008-04-23 10:40 pm UTC (link)
*applauds*

*applauds more*

Hell, yeah.

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